selden wrote:It has been brought to my attention that in a small community like this one, a public list of who has been banned and why, is easily interpreted as being a "shame list". That had not been my intent, but rather for it to be a public record of my own actions and of those of whoever else might have this responsibility. This kind of list is also common in larger Forums, like BAUT, and I thought it would be appropriate to emulate them.
the banned list is very common on billboards and forums. I was a member of several large forums in the past and most of them were using a ban list. So this isn't a problem to me.
I fully support your choice as the moderator of a highly emotive forum. So please don't apologize.
Thanks for your support. It's greatly appreciated.
It has been brought to my attention that in a small community like this one, a public list of who has been banned and why, is easily interpreted as being a "shame list". That had not been my intent, but rather for it to be a public record of my own actions and of those of whoever else might have this responsibility. This kind of list is also common in larger Forums, like BAUT, and I thought it would be appropriate to emulate them.
This would seem to be my mistake, however, and a personal, private reprimand in the form of a temporary ban is more appropriate. I'm removing the Banned topic.
Please read the FAQ and HELP before posting here, also make a fourm search for your problem, often the same questions have been asked and answered before.
If you don't find an answer and you want to get help, state at least which version of Celestia you are using and your operation system, perhaps your system specs. So it will be easier to help you.
If your are having trouble with graphical display, read first in the FAQ about updating your graphics driver. If you already have the latest drivers and the problem is still there, post the results of what Celestia displays under "Help/OpenGL Info" in your post as this also helps us to help you.
ANDREA wrote:I'll try to help the bad memory of a lot of people here.
I remember when I used an angry way (but a lot of people made the same thing before me, even if I don't use this as a justification) to reply to danielj continuous annoying requests and complaints, and I did the same with symastik, using sarcasm against him and his cryptic way of (not) writing posts.
Later on we discovered that the bad way they used for their communications with Celestia community was due to their serious health problems, not to a bad will or a bad education.
I felt ashamed of myself for this, and I think (I hope) that the other people that used my same nasty approach to their queries made the same.
This just to say that when a newbie approaches our forum, no one can judge the reasons why he is posting that way, because we know nothing about him.
Surely we don't know his:
and what else.
In a single word… NOTHING!
He is simply a perfect stranger, knocking at our door and asking for help, nothing more.
But if his wrong approach goes on the same way, the moderator will contact him by PM (and not in the forum) and put him on the right manner or, if he disagrees or doesn’t, to ban him from Celestia Forums.
I invite each of you to think about how many other Celestians you really know, following the above given parameters.
Or perhaps no one?
So I'm absolutely aligned with Selden's way of solving this problem, that moreover has been growing more and more.
I can only criticize Selden because probably this should have been done a lot of time ago.
Rules exist, and have been subscribed by each of us, and they must be followed by everyone, whatever be his contribute to Celestia.
Who doesn’t agree… well, the universe is so big, there is room for anybody, somewhere else, with all our sincere greetings!
bh wrote:...although I have noticed a more than elitist attitude.
CeeBee wrote:I can relate to what Seldon says. I'm sysadmin at another forum and very often people ask questions about software they could easily find in the documentation or the help file. Some people repeatedly ask very basic questions.
Some are plain lazy, and that irritates me aswell. However, I always respond with a friendly but urgent remark like "it would be good to consult the documentation / browse the help file to make yourself familiar with the basic functions". I hope that with such a remark the intention "please do some work yourself, leave this forum to people with real problems" is clear yet friendly formulated. And the jerks won't be irritated and stressed: I'm the only one who will be when it comes to an online brawl.
On the other hand I'm continuously trying to help my 77 year old mom to deal with Internet, e-mail and an occasional program, and I know she enjoys the opportunities, but has absolutely no feeling whatsoever to find it out herself. Her questions are very basic as well, because her age and lack of experience prohibits her to grasp the concepts themselves.
In between there are all the other variations of people asking for help. I think Seldon's solution is a good one; if you read a question from a stupid lazy user, simply ignore. The result will be that they have to find out themselves in the end, and the tone on this forum will stay friendly and cooperative. All winners, no losers. Just my 2c.
All the best,
ElChristou wrote:Ceebee, Welcome! too bad you are stepping here in such circumstances but my issue here is definitively not a problem with newcomers.
ElChristou wrote:ANDREA wrote:I'll try to help the bad memory of a lot of people here.....................Who doesn’t agree… well, the universe is so big, there is room for anybody, somewhere else, with all our sincere greetings!
Now if you really do believe such people may help, then, ok we do disagree and there is nothing to say anymore.
ANDREA wrote:But I'll be very unhappy of this, anyway.
Peace, men, please!
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