First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby ajtribick » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:25 pm

.ssc code for the HR 8799 system, orbits are set up to be face-on and circular (this is the likely configuration according to Marois et al. 2008) and mean anomalies are calculated using the positions given for 2008 Aug 12. Probably could do slightly better by doing a best fit to all of the observed positions but I'm leaving that for now. Gives quite a good match to the images shown in the press releases.

EDIT: the .ssc file is in the add-on in my next post.

Fomalhaut b would be trickier to model because the system is not being observed face-on, the orbit is likely eccentric and there doesn't seem to be a convenient table of values for the positions available. :(
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby ajtribick » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:27 am

I've modelled Fomalhaut b by making its orbit apsidally-aligned with the dust disk, and setting up the mean anomaly to match the position angle in 2006. I've also added the possible circumplanetary disc. Because of the 400 K temperature from modelling I have rendered it as a class III planet. Parameters based on Kalas et al. (2008).

This add-on also includes the HR 8799 system as described in my previous post.

(I should mention that I have not attempted to model the circumstellar dust disks themselves)
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby Hungry4info » Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:53 pm

Very nice! Looking forward to downloading this when I get home!
And what a wonderful discovery. These aren't the first images of exoplanets though, but the image of Fomalhaut b is the first visible light image of an exoplanet. The rest have been IR.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby eburacum45 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:54 am

That's very nice, ajtribick. Thanks.
I've added a disk to Fomalhaut in my copy of Celestia, but they are so different in scale I can't get them to display together yet. So here's a cut-n-paste job.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby ajtribick » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:56 am

Thanks! As for the Fomalhaut dust disc, the inner edge is around 133 AU, the width is 25 AU. The planet shouldn't go through the disc.

(What's incredible is that the mass of the Fomalhaut dust disc at these distances is consistent with the planet Fomalhaut b forming in situ, while the models for the formation of our solar system predict that Uranus and Neptune had to be formed further in than their current positions... makes you wonder what kind of gigantic planets lurk closer to the star)
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby eburacum45 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:24 pm

I thought (from the images in the news) that there was a thinner dust disk that stretched nearly to the star- but it seems that the main disk - an 'eccentric' disk to boot- is outside of the planet.

This planet formed way, way further out than anything in our solar system- from disk instability perhaps, like a little star, rather than from core accretion like our planets.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby ajtribick » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:48 am

Not entirely sure about that - there's a whole bunch of scattered light all over the place which makes it difficult to see what's going on with regard to dust interior to the ring.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby eburacum45 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:17 am

I've changed the dimensions of the dust ring, so that the planet now orbits in (nearly) dust-free space. That makes it easier to see them both together. Here's an image of the new version-
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I've added a few streaks in Gimp to suggest individual moonets orbiting in the dust, following the lead of the official NASA artist's impression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fomalhaut_planet.jpg
which is probably too colourful...
I'm still trying to adjust the orbit of the dust ring, so that it orbits with the planet, so I can't pretend that it is accurate. Not yet anyway.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby zhar2 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:44 am

How did you add the disk aroud the star, ive been trying to do that but no success so far?
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby Hungry4info » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:04 pm

Wow, I absolutely love the appearance of Fomalhaut, how did you accomplish this?
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby eburacum45 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:37 am

Basically I cheated.

The dust disk is just a transparent png on a billboard; I made a really thin billboard, then duplicated it so that it appears just above and below the plane of the planet's orbit. There is a useful tool in Gimp called 'whirl and pinch' which can make ring-shaped blurs.

The star is acheived using Gimp- the 'supernova' effect. It would be nice if Celestia could produce such effects- but for illustration purposes, a bit of post-work in Gimp can do all sorts of nice things.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby zhar2 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:07 am

Oh right, i thought you managed to place a ring around the star in celestia.
Ive tried creating rings (really large rings around a few Au's) around a small planet inside the target star but even then the rings fail to appear.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby ajtribick » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:13 am

Ring display appears to be linked to the angular diameter of the parent planet - if you use the add-on I posted you will find that as you move away from Fomalhaut b the rings disappear abruptly.
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Re: First ExoSolar Photos of Planets?

Postby eburacum45 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:40 am

I've noticed that too.
The planet, without the rings, is a very dim object- perhaps the image that has been obtained of this world is mostly an image of the ring system - either that or the planet is whiter than Venus.
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