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Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby abramson » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:08 pm

Hi.

I have just known that the Jaxa has disclosed the much awaited data from Kaguya, including the topographical ones. Access here. I haven't gone through all the search for data yet (which is not obvious). But a guy at unmannedspaceflight.com did a render of topography in Celestia (see here). I will try find the 16 bit data and make a good normal map with Fridger's tools one of these days.

Besides, browsing Ciclops for the recent flyby of enceladus, I found they released a new map of the little moon, much better than previous ones. Find it here.

Guillermo

Oops, I just saw that our very CL posts on that thread at unmanedspaceflight.
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby chris » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:16 pm

Also, see this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15406

:)

The Celestia renderings on UMSF are by volcanopele, who also posts fairly frequently here. I'm working with the 16-bit Kaguya data to make a normal map. Mike Howard's seems pretty good already except at the poles. I suspect the artifacts there are in the data itself, not with his processing, but it's worth a look.

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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby abramson » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:34 pm

chris wrote:Also, see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15406

Oops again, indeed! I missed that post, dated one hour before mine :lol:
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby t00fri » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:58 pm

chris wrote:Also, see this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15406

:)

The Celestia renderings on UMSF are by volcanopele, who also posts fairly frequently here. I'm working with the 16-bit Kaguya data to make a normal map. Mike Howard's seems pretty good already except at the poles. I suspect the artifacts there are in the data itself, not with his processing, but it's worth a look.

--Chris


I have also been working on the new publicly released topography data of the Moon (LALT).

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After registration and download of the PDS/Img data, ISIS3 can be used for conversion to 16bit signed integer raw format as needed by my nms tool. Away from the poles, the resulting normal map is really nice, while the poles show a fairly strong pinch effect.

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Therefore I have set out to code a new pinch correction algorithm for my tools. It's based on what I learned from getting rid of the polar pinch in case of the Phobos shape model ;-)

http://forum.celestialmatters.org/viewtopic.php?t=339
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If the new "pinch killer" tool will work satisfactorily, it will be included in my F-TexTools/nmtools.

More about all this, at CelestialMatters ...stay tuned

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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby chris » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:39 pm

t00fri wrote:After registration and download of the PDS/Img data, ISIS3 can be used for conversion to 16bit signed integer raw format as needed by my nms tool. Away from the poles, the resulting normal map is really nice, while the poles show a fairly strong pinch effect.


Mike Howard's normal map actually looks better near the poles than the one produced by nms. I suspected that he was clamping the spherical correction term for regions within 2 degrees of the poles, and he confirmed that this was indeed the case (and that it was also beneficial when processing the MOLA data.) Mike posted a new map with some filtering at the poles to further reduce artifacts there.

Therefore I have set out to code a new pinch correction algorithm for my nms tool. It's based on what I learned from getting rid of the polar pinch in case of the Phobos shape model ;-)


Excellent--this will be very useful. It won't solve all the problems in the polar regions of the LALT data set, though. I tried producing a normal map without any spherical correction applied and noticed artifacts that aren't simply noise. In several places, features that are obviously crater rims are broken into pieces, with a series of gaps regularly spaced in longitude.

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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby john Van Vliet » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:51 pm

. I suspect the artifacts there are in the data itself, not with his processing, but it's worth a look.

yep it is the data -- a false color of the north pole
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby Hungry4info » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:15 am

t00fri's image looks very much like this image from Lunar Orbiter 4

At first I was surprised on how exaggerated the data seemed in Celestia. I suppose I'm not quite as much now.
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby t00fri » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:28 am

As I emphasized already in the dev list 3 days ago, there are some very nasty artefacts in the recent LANL topography data of the Moon near the poles (notably the south pole) that are NOT pinch-related, despite looking like pinches superficially.

Here is a clearcut display of the ORIGINAL LALT elevation data near the south pole in simple cylindrical projection:

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To emphasize again, these vertical bar-type artefacts are NOT related to my normalmap code (nms), since they show clearly already in the original topography map! These artefacts get however amplified in the process of forming numerical derivatives for normalmap generation.

More in CelestialMatters, soon...

Since some days, I am in correspondence with the two Japanes scientists (Drs. Araki and Ishihara) , who did the image analysis of the recent LALT data. As soon as the dust settles, you will find my conclusions in CM, as well.

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PS: Let me add that I have meanwhile succeeded in deriving an effective algorithm for eliminating most of the nasty pinch effects in normalmaps! These encouraging results you will also find very soon in CelestialMatters.
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby t00fri » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:42 am

Hungry4info wrote:t00fri's image looks very much like this image from Lunar Orbiter 4

At first I was surprised on how exaggerated the data seemed in Celestia. I suppose I'm not quite as much now.


Cute ;-)

It cannot be overlooked that my above image has a little better quality, though :roll:

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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby john Van Vliet » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:04 am

At first I was surprised on how exaggerated the data seemed in Celestia. I suppose I'm not quite as much now.

if the 16 bit map is "normalised " (0 to 65538) as in the small 1k i posted here
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but the normal is at ( 16 bit ) 1 to 12407 -- that 1 meter to 12407 meters
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Re: Kaguya data plus new Enceladus map

Postby abramson » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:23 pm

abramson wrote:I will try find the 16 bit data and make a good normal map with Fridger's tools one of these days.

Besides, browsing Ciclops for the recent flyby of Enceladus, I found they released a new map of the little moon, much better than previous ones.

I made both:
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